Yes, today was the day… I as finally going to install linux on my laptop.
The plan was to use it for e-mail and IRC/MSN only. So I decided to install Redhat 9 on it, it seemed like a nice desktop OS and people says it’s fairly fast.
Well the installation went great, no problems. So then I had to install kopete, an IM application.
The program needed libssl.so.2, fine so I download openSSL-devel, no luck. It seems the latest libssl is .4, so the dependancies was very much fucked there.
Those .rpm files are not as helpful as many claim, they know NOTHING about dependacies, and while I would just have done a apt-get install kopete on debian.
On redhat, I first have to download the kopete rpm, then I have to locate all the rpm dependancies for kopete and make sure they are the correct version, not the latest version, but the correct version.
Well, I finally got kopete running… but it was SO SLOW, I’ve never seen my laptop or any of my windows OS’s running so badly (maybe Windows XP?). It was lagging the ¤%&¤ out of me. SO! After the IM application (kopete) had crashed 3 times during an IM session with a friend of mine, I gave up. I tried GAIM, which is bundled with Redhat, but GAIM couldn’t find ANY of my ICQ contacts, and only half of my MSN contacts…
Now I’m mad, I’ve turned off the laptop and are currently downloading Linux Debian which I’m going to install tomorrow (with GNOME as window manager (I think, since I see no reason to use KDE?))
Redhat is NOT that great, their package system truely sucks compared to Debian and the way KDE and GNOME application can run in one environment, is not very successful, it’s extremely laggy, on my laptop…
Debian may be “harder” to install, but my god it’s worth it… I love apt-get
PS. I tried apt-rpm, but that totally fucked up redhat and I actually had to re-install redhat all over again because of apt-rpm.
Yes, I just installed Redhat 9 and am trying to upgrade Gaim to version .64 -
I couldn’t agree more …
Redhat used to be better (version 7.2 days) but now it seems just lost in space…
not to mention the odious RHN upgrades -
sheesh man – even Microsoft let’s you upgrade for free…
Last Redhat distro I load …
Yes I agree to you experts. RH 9 sucks deeply, madly and miserably. Yeah, Shame on it!. Even bill gives updates for free. I am having P4-2.4 Ghz 1 GB RAM 80 GB HDD and I am getting performance of some damn historical computer with RH 9. Planning to switch to Debian.
Come on.. so you after working with Debian you’re complaining about a distribution after the first little dependency problem?
see if you have openssl:
rpm -q openssl (any openssl will do)
rpm -i –nodeps kopete.something.rpm
and you’re done!
If this is too difficult I wonder how you guys are doing on Debian!
Have you tried apt-rpm… Very nice.. I’m a converted debian / gentoo user. Redhat is the most up to date (if you point your sources.list at good sites).
Try Mandrake, it’s a very polished and fast desktop Linux distro, plus it has urpmi which is almost as good as apt, and there are lots of repositories available for Mandrake with lots of packages.
I’m curious to know more detail about apt-rpm screwing up your system. I use it on all my RedHat systems, I’ve even used it to apt-get dist-upgrade from RH 7.2 to 7.3 (although I haven’t had the courage to do it from 7.3 to 9 yet).
I work for a Fortune 500 corp, and we use it on hundreds of systems with no problems, but none are RedHat 9.
If there’s a RedHat 9 issue with it, I’d like to know more so we can avoid it.
Can’t remember anymore :)
I think it just fucked up my dep.
Redhat is fine without all the GUI and precompiled packages, we use it at Wannafind too. So give me a tarball of source any day instead of .rpm
Well I have used Windows 2000 for almost 3 years, and Linux Debian for 1 year. It was time for a change.
Yes, I know, this post is pretty old but I just can’t stop me behind something of incorrect.
RPMs packages are good, they just need a good tool like apt to manage automatically all dependencies during installing/removing of any.
So, first grab your copy of apt for rpm (apt4rpm.sf.net) and install on Fedora (the new RedHat community-oriented distribution) and see how it goes. It works like a charm, believe me.
I used Debian for years (about 4 consecutively without any other desktop OS in my home client) and I have to say that is a good distro, but not suitable for a stable client use! The stable branch is too obsolete for desktop use, testing doesn’t get updated as it should and unstable is REALLY unstable – you get hundreds of megabytes of updates only during a week!
Fedora well configured + apt is a good choice IMHO.
Sorry for my replying to an old post, maybe I don’t have anything better to do at the moment. :)
Fabio
Yes, I know, this post is pretty old but I just can’t stop me behind something of incorrect.
RPMs packages are good, they just need a good tool like apt to manage automatically all dependencies during installing/removing of any.
So, first grab your copy of apt for rpm (apt4rpm.sf.net) and install on Fedora (the new RedHat community-oriented distribution) and see how it goes. It works like a charm, believe me.
I used Debian for years (about 4 consecutively without any other desktop OS in my home client) and I have to say that is a good distro, but not suitable for a stable client use! The stable branch is too obsolete for desktop use, testing doesn’t get updated as it should and unstable is REALLY unstable – you get hundreds of megabytes of updates only during a week!
Fedora well configured + apt is a good choice IMHO.
Sorry for my replying to an old post, maybe I don’t have anything better to do at the moment. :)
Fabio
fabio IMHO you never used debian….
>”not suitable for a stable client use!”???
I really don’t understand the why…milion of people uses debian, I don’t think iall those people are crazy…
>”the stable branch is too obsolete for desktop use”
ok, in fact it is used expecially for servers.
>”testing doesn’t get updated as it should”
i don’t think you used testing, its application are update every month
>”and unstable is REALLY unstable”
sid is more stable than RH “stable” edition
only few package broken sometimes, but it is made for developers
>”you get hundreds of megabytes of updates only during a week!”
Only if you update every week.
Go back and play with Game Boy, linux is not for you.
I can only speak for redhat having used it since 6.2.
Versions 6.2, 7.1 and 7.2 are well loved and are still being used as Oracle 8i servers in our company – with very good uptime / performance statistics.
Our redhat 9 desktops (KDE) are running slower than expected. But, to be fair, we have only just started exploring and customising fedora.
Regarding rpm’s – we have not had any (big) problems and use them extensively to deploy patches and inhouse developments.
Installing apt for rmp does help – we use our own perl scripts to handle dependencies.
Further, I can’t help thinking that many experienced problems due to the way information about these issues is publicly available. In my case, maybe these problems have been avoided due to my early trouble getting to know version 6.2 (and the endless nights reading faq,readme’s and obscure redhat sites)
;-)
However, after following the discussion, I’m keen to grab an old box and install Debian.
Ive just started using redhat 9, I would say as a debian user redhat 9 sucks ass. I am using yum and apt and they suck. I have no apt-file like in debian (afaik). I apt(ed) apache2 errronously named httpd its missing ap{r,u}config scripts. Php won’t compile as a dso to apache2. My redhat 9 machine is on a managed network. And I will eventually make the time to migrate away from RH9 even though I will have to boot into a rescue system from remote, and upload a whole no filesystem from remote, I think this is a huge pain in the ass but in all reality as hard as compiling php using apt/yum to solve dependicie problems.
YES!
RH9 SuckS!
Ty